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A runaway process (15/03/21 22:31:58) Reply
    The AZ vaccine has had a number of cases of thrombocytopenia and intravascular thromboses - so it could be what used to be called DIC - disseminated intravascular coagulation - or consumption coagulopathy, where thromboses and bleeding are seen together. The platelets are low because they are being used up to build thromboses.

    It looks like a runaway process.

    If this phenomenon is unique to the AZ vaccine, it will be withdrawn because the competitors are better. Possibly it will be dumped cheap in less discerning markets than Europe, where it undoubtedly will save thousands of more lives than it is going to take.

    Ugly. Time will show.

An afterthought (15/03/21 22:51:42) Reply
    It could be that the prescribed dose is too high, and that the antibody response would be just as good with a lower dose, say one-tenth, with hugely improved safety..

    If I were a regulator, I would have taken a closer look at the dose finding studies of the vaccine.

Re: An afterthought (17/03/21 06:56:57) Reply
    It might be that the DIC patients are specially unlucky: Suppose the injection goes intravenously instead of intramuscularly in the deltoid muscle. From what I have seen - on TV and in real life - the injection is given like this: Penetrate the skin with the needle and press the plunger in a split-second bolus or one-secoond. No aspiration.

    It is very unlikely that the injection goes intravenously. But if it does, it might be held back by the lungs, or some of it might pass to the arterial side of the heart and get distributed with arterial blood to wherever. Or - if there is shunting in the heart - like a minimally patent foramen ovale - some might enter the arterial system without passing the lungs. So the substance might settle in small vessels and initiate clotting by producing antigen in places where it induces clotting and where clotting becomes a runaway process. Not like in the deltoid, where it is confined to the muscle and any clotting can be limited and harmless.

    Statistics and epidemiology cannot explain rare events.

Investigation (AstraZeneca vaccine) (20/03/21 09:39:37) Reply
    It seems the coagulationists amd platelet people have found platelet-activating antibodies. They attribute the thrombotic complications to them.

    I learnt from another source that the clinical picture of the victims was - unusual - if there is such a term. The victims had thrombosis of venous sinuses of the cranium
    and in deep abdominal veins.

    Venous thrombosis is most commonly associated with leg muscles, extending into the pelvis.

    Now even the UK has reported such cases, even though they denied seeing them at first. It is explainable: Vaccines have been inject-and-forget types of drugs, in contrast to other drugs, where there is follow-up by the prescriber. It is typical that the Norwegian cases were previously completely healthy health personnel, with a short communication pathway to the reporting system.

    A serious vaccine manufacturer with a long-term commitment would already be in the process of refining the composition of the vaccine to eliminate the danger hotspots of the antigen RNA.


    It bring to mind a side effects emergency of the nineteen-seventies. I was a student when Eraldin (practolol) was launched as the first cardioselective beta blocker - by ICI, later known as Zeneca. It was withdrawn from the marked because of severe rashes in the palms of the hands, and destruction of tear glands and maybe salivary glands IIRC. In the wake of this withdrawal, two new cardioselective betablockers were introduced: ICI's Tenormin (atenolol) and Astra's Seloken (metoprolol). They were competing fiercely, and there was a balance for many years. One Astra representative leactured at a congress that Astra had synthesized practolol at an early stage, but decided not to follow it up because they saw one side chain details as a possible focus of dangerous metabolic activation. Just rearranging a few atoms eliminated the reactivity, and metoprolol is still going strong. The Astra people (Swedes) obviously were better at drawing board toxicology than their UK competitors.

    A university is not set up to maintain a product. Academics are set up to publish - or to say it irreverently: they go for likes and get rewarded for likes. If I were to choose a partner for vaccine development, I would rather choose a startup with good people than a university institute. The culture is widely different.

When? (20/03/21 10:12:40) Reply
    will AZ announce that they have available a test batch of a modified version for testing?

    Will they open-source it?

Opensourcing when there is $ to be made? (07/04/21 10:53:36) Reply
    "Vaccitech, the start-up that owns crucial biotechnology behind the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine, has confidentially filed for an initial public offering in the US.

    The Oxford start-up, co-founded by Sarah Gilbert, who led the development of the AstraZeneca vaccine, could price its offering as early as this month, according to people familiar with the matter. Vaccitech declined to comment."


Re: Opensourcing when there is $ to be made? (11/04/21 09:46:24) Reply

An interesting question. (29/04/21 17:28:21) Reply
    Opensourcing will save a number of lives, but will diminish profits for the designer systems of new products. Water, electricity, health care - how much private, how much state? So the question to be aired is a political one. The USA seems to be taking an extremist view with full privatisation of all sorts of healthcare, and extreme profits for the pharma industry. For those who only expose themselves to right-wing media, this extreme view may look like mainstream. Brainwashing.

    License fees will still be a possibility. Building factories, teaching personnel. Profits, but not windfall profits.

Off/on topic: Xenotransplants (20/04/21 08:49:40) Reply
    If I have understood correctly, the AZ vaccine uses a virus capable of infecting chimpanzee as vector for the RNA - in contrast to the Janssen vaccine and the Russian vaccine. Chimpanzee viruses of course never enter the human body normally - even hugging won't do.

    I admit that I am far behind on this topic: I read up on it about 20 years ago when I had my compulsory year of internal medicine together with some of the now famous people.

    If you wish to genetically modify a pig to deliver kidneys for transplantation into humans, the first thing to be tried and tested was tissue compatibility antigens: change them from those of the porcine species to the human variety. First, of course, they tested the principle - harmonising HLA and blood type between donor and recipient, then transplanting. Wht could go wrong when the targets for the immune reactions were taken away?

    What happened, was that the tranplant triggered the coagulation system of the recipient, so the donated organ clogged almost instantly.

    So - what does this vector do with the levels of coagulation activation in the recipient? Tests have shown an increasing bleeding tendency in recipients of the AZ vaccine, suggesting that a subclinical event related to the catastrophic clogging is far more common than the clinical cases leading to death.

    If this is even remotely relevant, it might mean that the Janssen vaccine may have a future even if the AZ vaccine will have to be scrapped (eventually). But in countries heavily hit by the virus the risk of the AZ vaccine seems minimal compared to the dangers associated with living inside a cloud of infectious material, such as in the slums of big cities.

Re: Off/on topic: Xenotransplants (20/04/21 13:45:25) Reply
    According to this Oxford study[1,2] it places the CVT from mRNA very closely to AZ(4 vs 5 in 1M), why do you believe AZ to be scrapped?

    [1] https://osf.io/a9jdq/
    [2] https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2021-04-15-risk-rare-blood-clotting-higher-covid-19-vaccines

Scrapped or "scrapped"? (29/04/21 16:36:30) Reply
    It seems the AZ has lower safety than some of the others. So in settings where safety (quantified as a 1:20 000 risk of potentially lethal thrombosis risk) is important compared to the lethality of the disease, and unacceptable, others will be preferred. In settings where the infection burden is so high that infection-related lethality overwhelmingly overshadows the risk of adverse reactions, the vaccine will be a blessing.

    The Norwegian deaths were healthy health personnel with an excellent prognosis if they were to be infected. So they were vaccinated mainly to protect others.

magneovaxx (22/07/21 18:52:39) Reply


    "It was found that vaccinated individuals do give off an electromagnetic field and that the earlier the individuals were vaccinated, the stronger the field they gave off. This sensation and appraisal, which is purely a tactile experience when the shoulder magnet is applied and removed, should be verified much more accurately with much more precise equipment.

    It was extremely difficult to find individuals willing to play along with this extremely disorienting experiment.

    Individuals are interested in the experiment out of curiosity and then when they see that the magnet clings onto their skin, they become dubious at first, then they suddenly become cold. Some of them even become extremely nervous, even completely shocked.


    During the exchanges, people clearly express their dismay by saying afterwards that they are taken as hostages. Many acknowledge that this injection is non-consensual and that at no time were they given rational explanations, even if only from the point of view of the benefit/risk balance. After reflection and discussion, they then describe this act as: "mistake, madness, loophole, solution, or even blackmail".

    These exact terms were used frequently.


    The survey is stopped for reasons of conscience and morals because the investigator is no longer able to cope with the helplessness of people whose faces become petrified when they realise that they have been injected with a substance of which they know nothing.

    The investigator, who has studied management techniques and psychosociology in the past,is very uncomfortable with these people who are wondering what is happening to them.

    People become pale, white, nervous, put a hand to their forehead or cross their arms and pinch their bottom lip. Some sweat from their hands as they are seen wiping them on their hips or thighs.

    These effects and expressions usually occur in states of anxiety, extreme stress or really measurable tension.

    For the respondents, these uncontrolled physical manifestations are indicative of a deep malaise when they realise afterwards that they may have done something irreparable.

    The act of vaccination being an irreversible act."


    if you're aware of the danger of high frequency alternating electromagnetic fields are to the normal human body one can only imagine the effect on these newly magnetized test subjects.

    let alone the cytotoxicity of the s1 spike protein and it's synthetic mRNA delivery mechanism:



    everyone here used to be skeptics... has 30 pieces of silver changed that for many?


dr yeadon (22/07/21 20:20:59) Reply



the injected (04/08/21 23:37:34) Reply


    Experimentation is numerated just behind Murder in the list.

    All the deaths of the experimented upon are Murder, as well.

the injected: LMAO (n/t) (05/08/21 19:08:18) Reply
magnetized balls stuck to fridge door

a shekel for you (n/t) (05/08/21 19:11:17) Reply
I see you

a schmekel for you too (n/t) (05/08/21 19:38:34) Reply
rick sanchez

Re: the injected (05/08/21 19:45:15) Reply
    this was the proper response imho.
    if you really want a serious response (and research) to your nonsense just say so and ill invest the (MY) TIME...

    the question is, are YOU ready to challenge your world view / beliefs ?


otoh... (05/08/21 19:50:32) Reply
    if e didnt respond then who am i to say anything...?

    a person's a person no matter how small

    i guess i am.

    good bye, be well, live long and prosper...

    ...for the meek shall inherit the earth...


“What can you say about a girl who died? That she was beautiful. And brilliant. That she loved Mozart and Bach. And the Beatles..." - love/hate story (14/01/22 17:02:04) Reply
    an hour ago i received the news.
    she died.
    no, not my better half.
    lets back up a bit...
    its a few months before the covid-19 crashed upon our shores.
    my better half was in CICU after undergoing a failed pacemaker implant and various complications.
    thats where we both meet a girl (well a woman) named Gali.
    she was pushing 40, very easy going and extremely funny and quite intelligent. perky :)
    an english teacher to children at risk and disabled ones.
    she had a fucked up mitral valve as a result from previous conditions that involved cancer and chemo.
    well, chemo worked and they replaced the valve - yay!
    just try and imagine how this woman suffered for most of her life (my better half too)
    so we all stayed in touch for over two years.
    once a week we would talk and share our dislike of stupid ppl, our love for animals(mostly cats recently, even though im a dog man myself) and politics (how we wish our leaders would DIE) and discuss pretty much anything for hours...
    she lit up our house once a week on these video chats.
    but there is a catch.
    she started reading all sorts of silly things like your friend yeadon and facebook and all that shit of ppl that have a "legit" opinion.
    she decided to not get the vaccine.
    she read idiotic things that she was bound to know are BS and yet took that to heart more than her critical thinking and/or her friends opinions (which are ppl that actually know what they are talking about)

    i have no mouth and i must scream! [harlan ellison - read it!]

    i blame ppl like you.
    i do.
    i hope you all die horribly of covid.
    i really do.
    i hope ill be there looking into your dying eyes and smile.

    pfffff.... and e wants to keep that silly header. lmao.

    tomorrow ill post what is long overdue. who the fuck is efvv.eu? ill post tomorrow. count on it!

    right now im going to get seriously drunk and listen to "where is my mind"...

    fuck you. and everybody like you.
jm @forseti

no, not enough (14/01/22 17:26:57) Reply
    let me put it clearly forseti (who was enough of a jew for hitler but not for others - your own quote) --- you are a killer. you helped kill a fellow human being.

    live with it.

Re: no, not enough (20/01/22 10:11:56) Reply
    turns out I was wrong, I'm not half-jewish at all. Mother Scottish, Father German and Dutch.

    I'm no killer either, and your libelous words are surely illegal in the nation this site is hosted in.

    love from the forest

half-jewish? (20/01/22 18:06:13) Reply
    No one said as much.

Anti-vaccination propaganda is killing people. (15/01/22 10:14:43) Reply
    Those who do or should know better, are murderers. Those who could not be expected to know better, are guilty of manslaughter. But in a court of law they would deny it and get away with it - even if the victims can be clearly identified.
    Some have committed suicide by anti-vaxiing. We have read about them in the press.

myeah... long rant. the LAST one i swear. (19/01/22 16:28:37) Reply
    not sure about your definition of suicide in this case.
    it is my opinion that in this instance you might say that only a properly informed person is committing suicide.
    i for one wouldnt mind you write suicide on my headstone since i am fully informed and yet i smoke and drink (amongst other self abuse)
    i take full responsibility for that and i am fully aware of the consequences (consequences - not if, but when)
    the uninformed and/or those that are prayed upon because they are in a state of fear/panic, tired, confused etc are being murdered.
    they are doing this campaign on tv of covid survivors begging people to go get vaccinated.
    at the start of all this i used to think to myself, well - idiots. NOW they get it? after being in ICU for months and left with major complications?
    but i was wrong. over the last year i took another look at those people.
    they are all simple working people with a high-school diploma.
    it would be worth pointing out that no one that finished high school here knows what an mRNA is much less understands the inner workings of a cell.
    if you wander the streets of any city here and ask random people what is lysosome or if they know who was panait istrati... guess what?
    its worse than that, even a social worker with first or second degree doesnt have a clue about such things [like my friend]
    and for that matter i am pretty sure even your average software engineer wouldnt do much better.
    startup nation my ass.
    if it wasnt for my parents i would be the same sad product of this shit education system.
    and even worse...
    some doctors were suggesting to wait with the vaccine and see how it all evolves.
    this only gave credit to "opinion shapers" who have absolutely no idea what they are talking about
    and zero training or understanding in the field of medicine to continue to propagate shit ideas amongst the general population.
    i see a failure of the education system, failure of the medical establishment to kick and discipline its own members,
    and a failure on a political level to make the vac mandatory.
    there is too much freedom of "speech" and freedom of "opinion"... so in my book, my friend was murdered by all of the above.
    there are politicians that should pay, there are professionals that should have their license to practice medicine revoked (if not decapitated)
    and there is a +forseti who should turn in his + at the very least.
    but look at that, im doing what i said i wont... post my rant. where is my mind?
    i listened to the piano version of it on my headphone while my better half got the call.
    that one will surely stick with me.
    it will take a whole lot of time for the pain, bitterness and vitriol to become a bitter-sweet memory...
    [insert "ok go - turn up the radio" lyrics here]


    court of law you say?

    He sat back and sipped reflectively.
    “OK,” he said, “hear me, hear me. It’s, like, these guys, you know, are en-
    titled to their own view of the Universe. And according to their view, which
    the Universe forced on them, right, they did right. Sounds crazy, but I think
    you’ll agree. They believe in ...”
    He consulted a piece of paper which he found in the back pocket of his Judicial
    “They believe in ‘peace, justice, morality, culture, sport, family life, and the
    obliteration of all other life forms’.”
    He shrugged.
    “I’ve heard a lot worse,” he said.
    He scratched his crotch reflectively.
    “Freeeow,” he said. He took another sip of water, then held it up to the light
    and frowned at it. He twisted it round.
    “Hey, is there something in this water?” he said.
    “Er, no, m’lud,” said the Court Usher who had brought it to him, rather ner-
    “Then take it away,” snapped Judiciary Pag, “and put something in it".

    [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life,_the_Universe_and_Everything ]

    from the same link to wikipedia: According to Nick Webb, the writer of Adams's official biography,
    he claimed that "Douglas's view of the Krikkitmen would be similar to his view of people who resolutely
    decline to learn what science can tell us about the universe we inhabit."

    [the part about censorship is also worth reading]

    no, its much worse, the semi/half educated people are worse. they think they know something when in fact they know nothing.
    in fact, they often think they know better than the professionals based on dr google.
    i actually think that people should be discouraged from having an opinion about things they know absolutely nothing about.
    is it an [i|u]nalienable right to be able to pull an opinion on something from ones ass or from thin air?
    or invent your own science, scientific truths and even your own method of proof?
    i mean, i have no problem with someone "preferring" the color blue (without need for an explanation),
    but if that said person claimed that the color blue cures cancer...
    we should inject him with cancer cells and then beat him until he is blue enough to check if it really does cure cancer.
    see, a scientific method that should be accepted by any court in this universe.
    so yeah, im ranting again. shrug.


    i did quite a bit of thinking these past 2 days.
    after a few pan galactic gargle blasters it became more of a conference.
    for the most part jm1 did the talking, but at some point jm2 disagreed with him and jm5 kicked jm3 in the shin
    because jm3 thought that maybe we were too rough on +forseti and pretty soon we had a full blown bar fight upstairs.
    after much "deliberation" and "negotiation" the fight ended when one of the jm found an unopened bottle behind the bar.
    at this point i, myself and me had a very coherent post(rant) written down.
    but then...
    what purpose would it serve?
    would it actually enlighten anyone?
    so i scraped the rant (sadly, only to replace it with this one - lol)

    perhaps it is time to get back to a strict diet of practicality instead of inspiration.

    yes, i sometime came around for inspiration. mostly it was a fail.
    but at the rare instances i did find it, it justified my previously wasted time.
    like dumpster diving for a few hours in a nasty filthy dumpster filled with organic trash only to discover a Curta.
    in the last 2 years, besides a few links from svd that actually both inspired and taught me something i cant say it was worth reading.

    therefore i have decided to embark on a self imposed exile.
    and not just from ebmb, i dont watch tv almost at all (besides a few shows on local channel 1 and netflix)
    and i pretty much aggressively filter my online news sources so i wont lose my time and get pissed off to the point i punch holes in the walls...
    i will miss the little gems i found here along the years, but this has to happen.
    i dont want to end up as the creature that feels it has to insult the whole universe and all its inhabitants (in alphabetical order)
    or the person that was given too much truth serum and told to tell the truth, the WHOLE truth [Chapter 33 page 163 https://pauladaunt.com/books/life%20universe%20and%20everything.pdf]

    i was once accused of not being a friend and not polite enough as per the ebmb header.
    my reply was that even some nazis where very polite and civilized while marching people to the gas chambers (they too were entitled to their own view of the Universe (which the Universe forced on them?))
    this really created a disturbance in the ebmb force back then...
    i believe that besides the old scripts (which need a serious update) the whole concept of an open AND unmanaged forum while expecting politeness, is not sustainable.
    not if youre looking for content and inspiration amongst other things. like i said, there is too much freedom of "speech" and freedom of "opinion" and in general "freedom"...
    if the state of affairs change, do let me know.
    in case you need me (for some odd reason, such as continue the discussion on religion if it interests you) you have my email.
    [speaking of religion and at the risk of repeating myself, check out pretty much anything youll find (probably in english and french) by Yigal Bin-Nun]


    i will leave you with the following, which sums it up quite nicely:

    So I stopped at a Jack in the Box on the way here, and the girl behind the counter said, “Hiya!
    Are you having an awesome day?” Not, “How are you doing today?” No. “Are you having an
    awesome day?” Which is pretty… shitty, because it puts the onus on me to disagree with her,
    like if I’m not having an “awesome day,” suddenly I’m the negative one.

    Usually when people ask how I’m doing, the real answer is I’m
    doing shitty, but I can’t say I’m doing shitty because I don’t even have a good reason to be doing shitty.
    So if I say, “I’m doing shitty,” then they say, “Why? What’s wrong?” And I have to be like, “I don’t know,
    all of it?” So instead, when people ask how I’m doing, I usually say, “I am doing so great.”

    But when this girl at the Jack in the Box asked me if I was having an awesome day, I thought,
    “Well, today I’m actually allowed to feel shitty.” Today I have a good reason, so I said to her,
    “Well, my mom died,” and she immediately burst into tears. So now I have to comfort her, which
    is annoying, and meanwhile, there’s a line of people forming behind me who are all giving me
    these real judgy looks because I made the Jack in the Box girl cry. And she’s bawling, and she’s
    saying, “I’m sorry, I’m so sorry,” and I’m like, “It’s fine. It’s fine.” I mean, it’s not fine but, you know,
    it’s… fine. And I would like to order a Double Jack Meal, and I’ve kinda got somewhere to be,
    so maybe less with the crying and more with the frying, huh? [inhales] And the girl apologizes
    again and she offers me a free churro with my meal. And as I’m leaving, I think, “I just got a free churro
    because my mom died.” No one ever tells you that when your mom dies, you get a free churro.

    [ https://speakola.com/movie/will-arnett-bojack-horseman-eulogy-mother-free-churro-2018 ]

    jm takes his churro, nods and silently walks away...

    cant wait to try it on a few things...
    ...and yeah, i should save the last gif on that page.

I hope not.  (19/01/22 18:07:59) Reply
    Your rant was interesting reading. I can't write like that, and if I could, I would have been a different person. Or 40 years younger.

Re: Anti-vaccination propaganda is killing people. (28/01/22 05:24:47) Reply
    But what is the motivation for misinformation... Clickbait? Opportunity? Easier to swim with the current or the official narrative...than be censored or removed from licensing/funding (if one is a doctor or researcher)

    Whats troubling throughout this... is the censorship over debate.
    People are putting in mandates to get this thing, when the manufacturers themselves do not claim reduced transmission.


Re: Re: Anti-vaccination propaganda is killing people. (28/01/22 09:59:44) Reply
    The debate is poisoned. There is no doubt that it is disruptive and is harming our societies.

    There is no doubt that the manufacturers of the successful vaccines are making big money. I think it is clear, too, that the vaccines decreases the impact of the virus on severe illness and death rate from the infection. I think the evidence is overwhelming that the first-generation vaccines give minimal if any protection against transmission. The evidence is good that the mRNA vaccines are safe enough to permit general vaccination: the side effects can be handled.

    Vaccines in general? The yellow fever vaccine is risky.

    The (now obsolete) smallpox vaccine (I've had it at least twice) was no joke the first time I got it. The BCG vaccine? I had a suppurating wound for months afterwards.

    A debate about facts should be based on specific facts - specific to the topic under discussion. Setting up scares about vaccines in general with reference to the worst ones when the vaccines under discussion are documented to be safe is a breach of the rules for a civilised discussion. The fact that well-informed and rational religious people are quiet when religious fanatics are distributing unfounded scares makes them complicit.

    So - in the end: Who benefits? My reply is: Those evil forces who want to destroy the Western democracies.

Re: the injected - what, no real facts an debate on the subject? Didnt think so.... (n/t) (06/08/21 17:49:10) Reply

"skeptics" eh? Can you taste.the silver yet? Schmekel where made of stone biatch :) (n/t) (06/08/21 17:54:18) Reply

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