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|CoVid - 19 (17/03/20 02:00:17)||Reply|
Anyway. I'll try again.
What do you guys think about the spreading of the virus?
How far has it gone? How reliable are our sources?
Could we please keep to strictly scientific sources/numbers here?
|Re: CoVid - 19 (17/03/20 04:00:25)||Reply|
I came back to this site after 12 years, to look for some 'truth' back in January with disbelief with what I was seeing/being told was happening in china and what everyone else was doing. (nothing) (Canada, US)
Like to discuss... it seems information is staggered (4-6 weeks) to reduce panic, and then as the cases grow and people became acclimated the information is msm
Will get links but, I believe the gist is transmission (without symptoms) up to 28 days.
I know that the case in Vancouver which caused the MSM reported first-second and third death was spread (possibly) by a worker who I believe was suspected case, and put into quarantine for 14 days then released to work there.
|Re: Re: CoVid - 19 (17/03/20 06:05:05)||Reply|
It's just a flu, bros - from bat & snake soup
|Spreading (17/03/20 07:07:15)||Reply|
I think there will be a lot to learn from the different national policies, specially with regard to schools being open (UK, Sweden) or closed (Germany, Norway). Open schools will accelerate spread among the youngest part of the population, but may cause a very high peak prevalence of infection.
Examples have shown that it is possible to trace routes of infection in almost real time by picking up active cases. The means are not OK - they have serious potential for abuse.
But I believe there are examples that there are dormant reservoirs of virus - on surfaces, frozen foods or fabrics. If so, it will be impossible to eradicate it, no matter how strict measures are taken in society.
In the struggle against COVID-19 there are millions of unseen sufferers and unsung heroes. I hope this will have a political impact reversing some of the disgusting developments of the last decade or four.
But it isn't science.
|Clearance? (17/03/20 07:48:56)||Reply|
I think this should be one of the scenarios to be used for future planning - together with the more optimistic ones presupposing eradication. If the common cold model is really the case, then the present-day draconic measures do not seem sustainable at all. Then it will be a question of deliberately and visibly balancing the saving of life against economics. I think this will force an honest debate and weaken the political power of the hypocrites.
|immunity (17/03/20 17:42:11)||Reply|
Do human beings get immune after they were sick - and if so, for how long?
I read they found that monkeys aquired immunity, but they can't tell yet for how long it will last.
|Re: immunity (17/03/20 18:21:22)||Reply|
|Re: Re: immunity (21/03/20 03:45:58)||Reply|
|just like every flu season (17/03/20 23:04:57)||Reply|
like every year I remember, nothing different.
keep waiting for scientific proof.
|Re: just like every flu season (21/03/20 03:56:43)||Reply|
Must have to do with the moon, I guess.
Hey, c'mon! I don't have any clue when that video is from (or where).
But I can assure you, there's no military deployment in Western Europe.
We would have heard. We would have noticed. Military deployments don't go unnoticed, neither in Germany nor in The Netherlands, Belgium or Denmark.
Especially not in times as now. Have you seen any reports about what European borders look like nowadays? They are closed. And they are packed with 50-miles-long traffic jams of trucks (Germany to Poland, for instance). Which is a shame! (But that's a different topic)
There's been no suspicious planes spraying stuff, either.
|Ein Nichtsburger, ja Bruder (22/03/20 23:46:10)||Reply|
ebenfalls Merkel muss weg... zur Isolation mit Harvey Weinstein, wohlmöglich?
Bitte haben Sie eine köstliche Sowjetwelle: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBmKLYoggkA Ich fange wirklich an, diesen Stil zu mögen.
|Re: CoVid - 19 (17/03/20 08:52:40)||Reply|
|Exposing fake meritocracies (17/03/20 10:48:42)||Reply|
In Norway nothing really happened until the head of Bergen municipality closed institutions on his home turf, quoting his own experts at his province university. Only then the capital followed up, and only then the government found it safe to act. And even then they did not follow their own rules, so quite a few of them are now in quarantaine. Deeply embarrassing, I'd say, but probably not embarrassing enough.
|What would a designer genocidal virus be like? (17/03/20 18:20:11)||Reply|
According to Wikipedia the corona viruses are among the more complex viruses. It might be easier to build something simpler. Making a virus that is being destroyed by detergent might be silly or shrewd - maybe both - because it is easier to get rid of by simple cleaning.
|Re: What would a designer genocidal virus be like? (18/03/20 18:33:51)||Reply|
And because you can't imagine how or why someone else might make it, it cannot exist?
"a poorly thought-out crime" from the inheritors of Mao or Dulles bros or...?
Who could imagine? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svdrAHn_LGo "It's a real scene man."
|Re: ( you could look all those up ) (18/03/20 23:19:34)||Reply|
Virus infects bacteria, lives in guts indefinitely
Asymptomatic concentrate virions at nose, more infectious
Virus spreads through pipes
Survivors will be immunocompromised
US prepares for 4.8 million hospitalizations
210 dead in Iran, regime covers it up
CDC declares outbreak endemic, says tests too risky
China biowarfare program might have gone wrong
China province outbreak 52 times worse than admitted
|Re: Exposing fake meritocracies (19/03/20 03:47:42)||Reply|
also in terms of exposing the absolute horror of the american medical system and it's racketeering anti-competitive confidence game that site is a goldmine:
nota bene: strong language, facts - dear reader may want to have a fainting couch and smelling salts nearby
He is a one of few lamenting the horrible mercantile interference with healing and wellness, taken from a calling and corrupted into to a "profession" four or more generations ago. The damage is incalculable.
|Re: CoVid - 19 (17/03/20 18:43:05)||Reply|
|Well (17/03/20 19:59:16)||Reply|
Ah, the people I would trust without any questions or any doubt.
|Re: wishingWell (17/03/20 21:12:27)||Reply|
But sure, throw it all out because an anonymous person on an anime imageboard who was only trying to warn people didn't get into exactingly correct detail about the italian response 2 whole months before now. Nevermind, that the italians themselves had no fucking idea about the shit italian response until 2 weeks ago, and they are still reeling and trying to warn the rest of the world to not make their mistakes. But yeah judge a book by it's cover and discard correct predictions because you don't approve of their career choice. Yeah that's logical.
I'm saddened at lack of reciprocal concern and expression of friendship here among friends.
wishing you all well
|oops 46 days (17/03/20 21:24:08)||Reply|
It's an empty bun
|Re: oops 46 days (17/03/20 23:06:43)||Reply|
People of poor health will be more susceptible. Smokers will be more susceptible. Old people will be more susceptible. People living under poor sanitary conditions with poor nutrition and poor hygiene will be more susceptible.
OK - let's distrust Chinese statistics. Let's distrust the Italian age distribution data. And above all: Let's distrust well-established liars - no names mentioned.
In the end there will be whistleblowers providing trustable statistics if official statistics are fake. We will have to wait.
|still too conservative (18/03/20 00:13:07)||Reply|
Still underestimating asymptomatic spreading, incubation period, and viral load shedding and reinfection post "cured." but heading in the right direction. Expect another update & revision to "oh shit it's worse" in 5-10 days.
|Re: CoVid - 19 (18/03/20 17:49:50)||Reply|
"We estimate 86% of all infections were undocumented (95% CI: [82%–90%]) prior to 23 January 2020 travel restrictions."
It's almost like the virus has an indeterminately long asymptomatic spreading period which should be estimated to be 150% of the longest known number of days ( around 31 days ) to be safe in quarantine situations.
|Geert smelt sneeuwvlok? (18/03/20 19:06:31)||Reply|
het is gewoon een griep, bru
|waking up to a new reality (19/03/20 01:45:39)||Reply|
affluent boomers share a wtf moment.
He's had a very decent series tracking the epidemic for months
skrimps has been tracking for months too, many videos deleted
there were others, mostly documenting the chinese outbreak from inside china, they are mostly deleted now.
Pommes Dauphine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHi75sMAPL8
end on a happy note, oui?
|Biased reporting (20/03/20 06:13:19)||Reply|
With 99 percent of those dying related to the COVID-19, the virus pneumonia was the final event - true enough - but the underlying weakness of the body was severe, so the capacity to tolerate the extra stress on the system was not there.
And then there is the bias caused by too limited testing. The severe cases will be easy to find and count. The infected with low-grade clinical manifestations may be impossible to detect or count reliably. So the denominator becomes too small, and the percentages too high.
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