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The soldiers and the civilians (02/05/22 18:34:36) Reply
    I cannot give a brief outline of the horrors of millions, or thousands, or single individuals. But they will leave their marks - physically and mentally.

    Post-traumatic stress disorder as a diagnosis was invented after the Vietnam war, but was, of course, noticeable after WWI and WWII too.

    WWII: "The dominant narrative at this time was relentlessly upbeat, she says. The heroes of World War Two were now building a prosperous post-war society. People who remarked upon the large numbers of marriages in the immediate post-war period tended not to mention the record number of divorces. The fact that veterans' hospitals were full of men with serious mental health problems went undiscussed. The movies of the 50s and 60s did not depict the reality of war.

    "People did not want to know what it was like," her father told her."

    (https://www.bbc.com/news/stories-48528841)

    A more literary and longitudinal historical account

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3181586/

    I don't think there is much that helps. Sleeping pills are addictive, bt may be the lesser evil, and much better than alcohol.

    And then there is love. But who will be able to sustain love towards people who may become predictably loud and violent? I think we must learn to swallow our aversion and love them nonetheless - if they were on our side.

    For a start. Vendettas bring eternal unhappiness.
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Nonfighting nonvictims (03/05/22 18:58:54) Reply
    Essential people in a country under siege have their troubles too. Health personnel, who have to see, treat and comfort victims - and support the relatives; transport workers - bus and taxi drivers, sailors - they are targets too, but frequntly are forgotten. (One tragic group (I am now talking about .no and WWI and WWII) were sailors in the merchant navy. They had to live with the threat of torpedoes from unlimited submarine warfare - and the high risk of being in North Atlantic water within the next five minutes. The way they were treated after the wars is a neverending disgrace and an unremovable spot on the powers that be.)

    So we have a duty to be generous and forgiving to the central as well as the peripheral victims.
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Another war (03/05/22 19:04:20) Reply
    Stomu Yamash'ta's Memory of Hiroshima - if you have no patience, Gary Boyle's guitar begins at 4.00 minutes.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLbuSH6VK64
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Soldiers and soldiers and soldiers and soldiers (04/05/22 17:22:20) Reply
    There are different kinds, different motivations, and different abilities and capacities - apart from those associated with equipment.

    Some are recruited for small money to escape poverty. Some are recruited for the ability and permission to loot and rape. Some are forced into service against their will, but yield to threats. Some do their job, but disobey orders to committing crimes.

    More categories exist.
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Re: The soldiers and the civilians (15/05/22 08:29:47) Reply
    (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61425025)


    "
    The Russians initially talk to him and his boss through the fence. There is no audio on the footage but the men seem calm, they even smoke. Then the Ukrainians turn away and the soldiers start to leave.

    Suddenly they turn back, crouch then shoot the two men multiple times in their backs.

    One is killed outright but somehow Leonid manages to stagger to his feet.

    ...

    It is a long time before his friends realise they are being filmed and smash one of the security cameras.

    We showed the footage to the chief of police for Kyiv region and he told us the bodies of 37 civilians, all of them shot dead, were found along the road to Ukraine's capital after Russian forces were pushed back.

    The Prosecutor's office confirms that it is now investigating the killing of Leonid and his colleague as a possible war crime: one of more than 10,000 cases they have registered.#
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